David_Jay,
What I stated was that the Watchtower view is incompatible with the traditional view cherished by Christianity for almost 2000 years.
Interesting point, and having known only the WTS's slant on things, I was never aware of this.
Bungi Bill
JoinedPosts by Bungi Bill
-
18
The true essence of the Bible—there is some problem with it?!
by venus inin the famous aesop fable, we read about a fox who unsuccessfully tried to get some grapes, but at last had to give it up, and walked away with his nose in the air, saying: “i am sure they are sour.”.
someone made a second part to this story.
fox did some rehearsal in the night and came on to the scene next day, and jumped with difference and got the grapes from the vine tree, and he began to eat to his full capacity.
-
-
Bungi Bill
-
8
Is this Ancient Babylonian Trig System more accurate than the early Greek system?
by fulltimestudent inscientists at the university of nsw have been investigating an ancient clay tablet, known as plimpton 322, from the time of hammurabi (circa 1800 bce), whose laws may have been the model for the laws attributed to moses.. their conclusions are interesting.
if you want to quickly see what its about, check outs this video by the unsw,.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9-zpgp1aje.
-
-
Bungi Bill
As always, very interesting!
-
5
An opportunity for ex Jehovah's Witnesses survivors of domestic violence, to tell their story to the media
by jw news 2017 infor *australian* exjws who have stories of domestic violence, use email in this story to share.
(link: http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2017-08-18/shattering-silence-surviving-domestic-violence-in-church/8788902) mobile.abc.net.au/news/2017-08-1.
-
-
Bungi Bill
My first introduction to domestic violence was soon after I began "associating" with the local JW congregation. Furthermore, the situation was remarkably similar to that just described by snugglebunny.
-
10
Escaping from the YHWH/JESUS prison
by fulltimestudent ina poster recently inferred that i was never a jw, but was only on this site to spread a 'political' dogma.
not true!.
anyway, cleaning up some old files this morning, i found an old 'story of life' post that i made (i think) on another xjw site.
-
-
-
14
New book on early Christianity
by careful ini'm not quite sure that this post fits under jws/wts since they do not keep up with real biblical scholarship, but i don't know where else to post it.. thomas a. robinson (university of lethbridge) has just published a book through oxford university press on the earliest christians, entitled who were the first christians?
: dismantling the urban thesis.
for some years the idea has dominated scholarship that christianity grew strongly at first in ancient cities like rome, alexandria, and corinth; the notion has been largely influenced by wayne meeks' (of yale) thinking in his book the first urban christians (1986).. i once saw a member here cite meeks' idea of how many christians existed in the roman empire.
-
-
Bungi Bill
Interesting discussion, careful!
-
7
Atheism is likely as old as Religious thinking - thinkers often doubted the existence of supernatural beings.
by fulltimestudent ini've only just discovered an important book on the topic of atheism was published in 2015. it's title is, "battling the gods: atheism in the world.
" by tim whitmarsh, professor of greek culture at the uk's university of cambridge.. whitmarsh reviews a 1000 years of greek/roman writings and can demonstrate that the surviving writings of many famous ancient authors discussed disbelief in the god(s).that alone casts doubts on the concept many 'believers' today promote, that a belief in divinities is hard wired into the brain.
and, just as clearly, atheism is not just a modern view.. whitmarsh argues, " that early societies were far more capable than many since of containing atheism within the spectrum of what they considered normal.
-
-
Bungi Bill
Annon,
Unfortunately, that is all too believable.
-
7
Atheism is likely as old as Religious thinking - thinkers often doubted the existence of supernatural beings.
by fulltimestudent ini've only just discovered an important book on the topic of atheism was published in 2015. it's title is, "battling the gods: atheism in the world.
" by tim whitmarsh, professor of greek culture at the uk's university of cambridge.. whitmarsh reviews a 1000 years of greek/roman writings and can demonstrate that the surviving writings of many famous ancient authors discussed disbelief in the god(s).that alone casts doubts on the concept many 'believers' today promote, that a belief in divinities is hard wired into the brain.
and, just as clearly, atheism is not just a modern view.. whitmarsh argues, " that early societies were far more capable than many since of containing atheism within the spectrum of what they considered normal.
-
-
Bungi Bill
fulltimestudent,
As always, very interesting!
-
25
Kids ... and baptism.
by Tallon ini have noticed, from reading posts on this and other related websites, what to me is an alarming practice taking place within the jw's.
and that is the baptism of kids.. on a recent discussion posted by pe ( video of the girl now forced to shun her sister) this child was baptised at 9 years old.
all of us who were baptised at a much older age know of the many questions one needs to give serious consideration and understanding of to become eligible for baptism, not to mention the two baptism questions asked before being dunked.. surely the organisation must know that children of such a young age are not mature enough to fully grasp the seriousness, demands and consequences of making such a decision.. another point; if jesus is the example to follow, then why did he only get baptised at age 30, and he was perfect!.
-
-
Bungi Bill
fulano,
When the "elder arrangement" was first implemented in September of 1972, some very young men were appointed as elders. I personally know of one boy who was only 19, and another who was 21.
In both cases, it was very definitely a case of "who you knew". However, that is another story for another time!
-
33
So how did JF Rutherford function...?
by HowTheBibleWasCreated inevery picture i have seen at him at beth shirim and other private places are with a bottle of alcohol.. while for me personally i couldn't care less anymore.... for jw's this is low moral character.
so i'm an going to guess he was a functioning alcoholic... how did that work with his closest workers?
was he gay too?
-
-
Bungi Bill
It seems that I might have opened a can of worms here!
I know of a lot of beer kegs that did feature some sort of external pressurisation. The old "Four-and-a-half" had mounted on its top a non-return valve of the type also used on bicycle tyres; and indeed was often pressured by means of a bicycle pump (seen that more than once!). As for the selection of glasses, I don't recall any of my drinking acquaintances being too fussy about which type of utensil got used. In fact, there were more than a few social occassions in which beer was consumed from china tea cups.
Nobody in that photograph was flat on the floor - yet. Just like there are various stages of consciousness, there are, too, various stages of inebriation - ranging from just mildly "tipsy" right through to an alcoholic coma.
-
33
So how did JF Rutherford function...?
by HowTheBibleWasCreated inevery picture i have seen at him at beth shirim and other private places are with a bottle of alcohol.. while for me personally i couldn't care less anymore.... for jw's this is low moral character.
so i'm an going to guess he was a functioning alcoholic... how did that work with his closest workers?
was he gay too?
-
-
Bungi Bill
vienne,
Root beer dispensers are something quite unknown in this part of the world, so I wouldn't be able to comment:
- except that the container in the above photograph looks awfully like the ubiquitous "Four-and-a-half-gallon" beer keg once so popular in this country!